I mean, it feels to me like whole club can't get a full grasp how's that should be made.

For me it's one thing at GURPS that *REALLY NUMBER AND ROLL CRUNCHY*. And people (including me) doesn't like it.

First, i describe how we play it, and what i think about it.

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We used SPAS-12 from HT104

Guns (Shotgun) skill for testing purposes is 15

Target at 9yd; -4

For testing purposes, shooting with full accuracy (+3), with wait (+2; +1), with a bipod (+1)

Target armoured at chest (12 DR) but lightly armored in other parts except skull (2+3)

PC shots all his avaliable ROF, which is 3x9 = 27 total pellets which gives us also +5 for rapid fire bonus

Which gives us total of 27 effective skill

Lets imagine roll is 10 then we have 17 successes. Now question with recoil because we use rcl 1 for each pellet and 4 for shell, first shell shot is created 9 pellets all of which is hit target. What hext? Does we subtract 9 pellets rcl from 17 succeses and use that number to subtract shell rcl or go back to 17 and subtract just shell out of it, and then count next shot?

I mean that doesnt really make sence how pellets are making weapon recoiled, but from the mechanics standpoint makes sence as... well... gurps not a simulation (but shotguns in GURPS not really thinks so), its a game first and foremost. Its easier to operate one number for all the math, than makes two out of one and turning back to it.

I rather use latter, but i want to hear what meant to be done. And that not even number crunchy part yet!

So, then we have 9 hits from first shell, and 4 from second one. So 13 total hits.

We usually use "Body hit when unspecified" as it has +0 to hit. But well, when we played, player wanted to roll for body parts.

And i agree, it doesn't make sence to hit the body at that distance (9 yards is more than 10% of 1/2d so it doesnt count by that rule for short distances) with 2-7 damage as target has 12 body armour. But hands and legs with light armour or no armour are affected. As well ass face, and by lucky shot, skull.

More than that, i think shotguns meant use for that purposes in GURPS. But we now not only have to do 13 rolls for the body parts, as damage enemy start to roll HT for shock, knokdown and probably even death all of which can be done in that one shot. Moreover, it also requies to count right amount of damage in the backgound (so DMG-DR*1.5/2 etc).

By any means, it can be done, but 10 minutes pause for counting is really getting some critique from other players who want to play/

Honestly, i'm really overwhelmed by that. As i see, shotgun is totally meant to be used in that situation, and also shot the speedy and smal enemies (as it have massive bonus for rapid fire). Yet still it feels wrong. Does we understood that right?

I'd also wanted shortened that process. We're discussed and i have an idea to roll one bodypart and just spread the damage by thirds next two body parts to it. But it feels more GM-involvative than dice-decided. What your thoughts on that?

Or probably someone already fixed that, i didn't find that.

My brother and I are introduced to gurps while also having a DnD game by the same DM/GM.

I had to bring my computer to the shop and needed to redownload the GCS and redo a couple of my players sheets but when I did I noticed that the secondary attributes don't come with base level included anymore to initial unspent points. Does anyone know how to fix this so the sheets don't tank like 1000 points for attributes starting off? Thank you!